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The Most Self-Indulgent Albums EVER!

Posted Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:54am PST by Shawn Amos in GetBack

We are in the midst of two album landmarks: the 40th anniversary of the self-titled Beatles double LP known as The White Album and the release of Guns N' Roses' 17-years-in-the-making Chinese Democracy. When someone suggested that perhaps the two-disc White Album was a bit self-indulgent and would have been tighter as a single disc, Paul McCartney famously replied, "It’s the bloody Beatles White Album. Shut up." 'Nuff said.

Chinese Democracy, however, is another story. Even though it's only one disc, it's about as self-indulgent as you can get: millions of dollars spent, hundreds of musicians used, and arrangements so dense that only Axl can understand them.

Self-indulgence is a rock rite of passage for many musicians. Every generation has a bunch of artists who decide to make an album (or two or three) that's nearly indecipherable to anyone except the band and their followers. These records have one or more of the following hallmarks:


1. Lyrics with lots of medieval words, such as tempest, screed, manor, shire, cloister, parchment, and pilgrimage.


2. Songs that run more than ten minutes on at least half the album.


3. Covers that look like a Harry Potter book or a Dungeons and Dragons game.


4. Packaging that includes two or three discs.


5. Tracks that feature at least one keyboard solo.


Beyond these characteristics, there's just the vibe of a self-indulgent album. It reeks of self-importance and humorlessness. There's no sense of irony, humility, or humanity. Ultimately lifeless, these projects feel more like musical dissertations than real rock ’n’ roll. The White Album is full of playfulness, humor, heart, and soul. The ones listed below? Not so much.


Here are the five most self-indulgent albums in recent memory. I'm refraining from hitting the easy targets, like ELP's Tarkus, Yes' Tales From Topographic Oceans, and the Moody Blues' Days of Future Passed. In fact, I'm avoiding all of the late-'60s/early '70s rock album output. Been there, done that. Here's the new self-indulgence.

 

Smashing Pumpkins
MACHINA/The Machines of God
Billy Corgan has made a career out of indulging himself musically. This album includes songs with titles like "The Crying Tree of Mercury" and such lyrics as "Into the flow of encrypted movement/Slapback kills the ancient remnants." As if this wasn't enough, Corgan followed up MACHINA with his first solo album, TheFutureEmbrace.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Styx
Kilroy Was Here
From the band that brought us The Grand Illusion and Paradise Theater comes this 1983 concept-album about robots replacing man. The centerpiece? "Mr. Roboto," a song almost too unintentionally funny to be self-indulgent. Almost.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dream Theater
Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From a Memory
Dream Theater has the perfect prog-rock pedigree: former students at Berklee College of Music, they spent their early years covering Iron Maiden and Rush tunes, and first named their band Majesty. Any of their albums is worthy of this list, but Scenes From a Memory contains nearly all of the self-indulgent hallmarks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Queensrÿche
Operation: Mindcrime
Yeah, I know people put this album in the pantheon of Pink Floyd's The Wall and the Who's Tommy. I know it's a considered a metal masterpiece. Still, I'll take Racer X over Dr. X any day. Especially when he's played by Ronnie James Dio.
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sting

Songs from the Labyrinth
Some would argue that Sting's entire life is an exercise in self-indulgence. This album of 17th-century lute music might prove them right.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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831 Comments

81. Brandon -
Say what you will, but Machina is a brilliant album...as is any of Corgan's work.

82. Tourettes -
He left off the most dizzily pretentious album of all time: The Golden Scarab (1974) by Ray Manzarek, ex of the Doors. Words fail me how as to just how unredeemingly awful this waste of vinyl - surely it wasn't ever re-released on CD! - is. 40 minutes of your life you will never get back, surely.

83. Scott -
Paul also wrote Yesterday. Lennon composed how do you sleep at night? after hearing ram. Ever see john's photo, posing with a pig? LOL. A Passion Play ain't bad. It's better than ELP's Brain Salad Surgery. Everything that ever went wrong with rock n roll is on ELP discs after Trilogy. YES' Going for the One and Tormato; Tales from Topographic Oceans; Anything by Foreigner, REO Speedwagon; most of EltonJohn's discs after Goodbye Yellow Brick Road, oh like Rock of the Westies and Capt Fantastic and the brown dirt cowboy. Most of Chicago's albums. Yes the White Album would have been better with only one disc, but they gave Let it Be a makeover recently, and it still sucks. We get a choice? Death by water, hanging, death by phaser? I hate abbey road, too, except for here comes the sun. A brilliant band dying slowly. Harrison called the white album when the dry rot set in. Most of the Stones' albums since aftermath and beggars banquet. LOVED Thick as a Brick. And Benefit. Living in the Past and Stand UP, Aqualung, etc. All great. I regret Anderson's not taking formal flute lessons, but he transformed Rock with his style. Any KISS album, any MJ album, and some of Janet's stuff. Zeppelin's HOTH, and Presence; bands like poison and 10CC. the Kinks' Sleepwalker, Van Halens diver down and some others. Prince albums and shows. Loved Purple Rain, but his other work is barfarama. Better quit before a lynch mob gets me. I see torches a-comin'.

84. Larry -
self indulgence, well it's american,i'n'it? I don't understand the griping. I listen to that which appeals to me-critics and naysayers be damned.

85. Marquis of Moldovia -
The sad part is I own almost all of those albums, except sting ;P

86. Marquis of Moldovia -
And I own the golden scarab as well I think.

87. mike -
You write about self indulgence as if it's a bad thing...as if art is created by artists as not a means of expression but of catering to others' desires. TWO THUMBS DOWN.

88. Bob J -
Rush's epic "2112" has a totally self-indulgent 1st side and so many of the traits you cite as being negatives of self-indulgent albums, but it epitomizes "humanity". The song, especially the first movement, was written, played, and sung in anger. Anger at an industry that wanted to force them to do "radio-friendly" songs. 2112 was a huge middle finger in the face of the music business and the tripe they were foisting onto the public. "Oh, you want a simple 3-minute song? Nah, we're gonna do another 30-minute one but louder and with more complexity."

Most serious Rush fans consider that a landmark album. Self-indulgence is why fans of Rush tend to be so serious about it. They write/perform what they want to; not what the masses or the industry demands.

Styx, well, I'm a closet fan of theirs and I can actually remember the first time I heard "Mr. Roboto" on the radio and immediately loved it and was surprised to find it was "Styx". The same album's "Don't Let It End" should've been on the other blogger's "20 Saddest Songs" list (I literally cried hearing it at the concert), but I really do prefer when Styx rocks out and think no band should do more than one ballad. "Babe" should've been it for Styx, though I'd be tempted to trade it for "Don't Let It End".

Overall, I didn't like that album, though, but did go to the concert, which was very well-done, as usual.

Did I see mention of Queen? Now that there's one seriously self-indulgent band. And you know what? They're bloody brilliant! Queen and Rush both frequently swap places as my current favorite band of all time. However, with "Hot Space", they started getting a little too self-indulgent, and lost their American audience. I mean, really, what ever made Freddie Mercury think anyone would want to hear him meowing at the end of a song and why didn't the producer friggin' stop him!

Musical self-indulgence is a good thing, if the band has the chops to pull it off. I really don't want to hear a band who write stuff for the listener, anyway. I want to hear what they write for themselves. The passionate stuff. I want John Lennon smashing me upside the head with the opening riff of "Helter Skelter" while he screams the lyrics at me. Oh, yeah! Passion! Bring it! A side note about that song: It's really too bad it's got the Charles Manson stigma because I think it's the best work that band EVER did. You could tell that every player was totally on-board with that song and gave it their best. Usually, from the Beatles (who I place somewhere way above Rush and Queen, actually), you only get real passion from the player who wrote the song.

In short, I WANT bands to be self-indulgent. They interest me only when they love their art so much that they develop incredible proficiency at it and on their instruments. I despise bands that crank out tripe for mass consumption.

Give me Nirvana, Rush, Tool, Primus, etal. You can keep the "pop stars".

89. Han_m -
I never said Mellon Collie was worse. I said it was the most self-indulgent which is what this is about. It's got some quality but, to be honest, the fact that you think it's the better shows how much of a sheep you are.

Siamese Dream not only is one of the more universally understood albums, but IMO it's their best.

...and I hate Nickelback

90. Yahoo! Music User -
didn't yoko ono put out an album?

91. Jedwing -
You should have put post-1978 Frank Zappa. He was at least consciously self indulgent. Also, in the jazz category, you have to have Chick Corea, because even in a genre that features the keyboard solo, he reaches new heights in cornball pretentiousness and cheese factor which are part of the self indulgence criteria.

92. Scott -
80's hair bands, but NOT the Girl groups, like the Bangles and the Runaways. later Joan Jett; the GO-GO's. They were fantastic. The Spice Girls still make me wanna puke after all of these years. Most of Paul McCartney's solo work has been embarasssing crap. He ought to hav had e more class. Hey, thanks for listing Stevie Wonder's Songs in the Key of Life. When it was released, I grabbed it quickly, but kept wondering why? What's all the hype? After years of fine lps, beginning with Music of My Mind, why did he have to record the birth of his baby, put it on an EP? Too much of a mediocre thing. I loved Todd Rundgren's conception of Utopia, the shows were fun, but the music? Way too much, like a bad Circus. James Bond scores since Thunderball and Diamonds are Forever. Most of Madonna's music; loved Ray of Light; Santana Amigos, Fleetwood Mac's Tusk and most everything else since Peter Green left. Cheap Trick's Dream Police; Most of the Cars' work after their debut lp; Pink Floyd before or after DSOTM? Maybe that album did it? Critics hated animals, but I loved it. It wa better than wish you were here. Rock is all about wretched excess. The Grateful Dead after Keith and Donna joined and Keith Olson took over in their booth; Bowie gets too complex, but some of his stuff He's one of the few geniuses. Steve Miller Band after Brave New World. I love the Joker, but it was the beginning of the end. Boz Scaggs since leaving the SM lineup after Sailor. Queen's Jazz; Supertramp anything after Crime of the Century; Rod the Mod Stewart really could ROCK once. Around the time of Atlantic Crossing, he just went round the bend. Hasn't come to himself yet. Old rockers don't die; they end up on Delilah's show. Or lite rock less talk formats. Sstyx, the Eagles; Jefferson Starship, by trying so hard to be to be different. Journey, anything, The list of bad music is almost endless. HOLE, Life's too short to drink bad wine.

93. danm -
Well I guess Mozart and Beethoven and countless other virtuoso composers were "self indulgent" as well since they composed most of their music well over 10 minutes in length...

I have always enjoyed prog rock as breath of fresh air from all the candy-coated, bubble gum, pop American Idle crapolla that everyone seems to think is what music should be...

Thank goodness there are musicians out there daring enough to be musicians that can actually play musical instruments these days..

Bring on the Dungeon and Dragon album covers and keyboard solos I say

94. Scott -
I loved what a60wat sez, and your grandmother is right. You've hit it on the head. If they don't go overseas, they go to Las Vegas and play the Hilton, Caesar's Palace, and the MGM Grand, Bally's, etc. Then, like after 9/11, they host a gig, charge $1000 a head, and NO ONE comes. At midnight, they opened the House and let everyone in free. Oops, apologies to the Kinks. Sleepwalker was a cool release; I meant Low Budget. I maybe wrong and get more flack for this, but Gaucho by Steely Dan. Born in the USA by the Boss; Emotional Rescue by the Stones, following Some Girls. Frampton Comes Alive. His studio discs were all very cool, but that damned live double LP. At least it was from Winterland, not Budhokan. The UP Escalator by Graham Parker. Finding BAD, overindulgent Rock albums? Like shooting fish in a barrel.

95. Yahoo! Music User -
I just can't believe how retarded the author of this article and most of those who commented are. How old are you people? Put down the Miley Cyrus and Jonas Brothers albums and start listening to some of the "self-indulgent" music you speak of.

96. Beverly -
As much as I hate to admit it, I have to agree about the self-indulgence of Pink Floyd-phenomenal both musically & lyrically, but I believe Waters & Gilmour couldn't get along because they both thought themselves to be "god"! The music, though, the best ever in rock!

97. Scott -
I mentioned Madonna. Can't blame her for Dick tracy since Sondheim composed most of those songs. He's an entire book on the subject. Thanks Irene J for mentioning Prince. I feared the backlash I'd get from his legions of fans, but I haven't liked anything until his recent Super Bowl gig. He really showed up. I also hesitated to tag PHISH, but they oh yawn. Friends raved to me about Sting for ages and I refused to believe anything about him until I heard ten summoners tales. At that time, nobody sounded as fresh. He was great in the Who's Quadrophenia, which was tepd. The film made up for the album's flaws. ELP. Although This is Spinal Tap has been described as inspired by YES tours in the '70's, their shows were better than ELP. Music, sets, noise, atrocities. Yes really could back up their music with amazing live shows. ELP was just ghastly. Led Zeppelins '77 tour was a major upset in CA anyway. Maybe they were better in other cities. I wanted a refund from the get go. Worst gig I ever heard. Sorry to gab so much. Thanks for listening. Peace.

98. Rory -
rock ANd roll is still rock and roll

99. Yahoo! Music User -
I can't believe how retarded the author of this article and most of those who commented are. How old are you people? Put down your emo bull [profane] and Miley Cyrus albums and give a real listen to the "self-indulgent" music you speak of. If you knew anything about music, you'd realize that even the worst album by The Beatles, Pink Floyd, and others listed are head and shoulders above anything you hear on your radio today.

100. __A_YAHOO_USER__ -
number 15 your a dumb log.....your basically went on a rant to slam 3 bands..
personally i think your retarded for saying corgen with the beatles but these are opinions and stating crap about journalism....blogging isnt journalism its a platform to express opinons...so for u to try to come out sounding smart and trying to make your comment look proffesional.....to me is just douchebaggery!

ps i think music is dead on the mass media lvl!
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