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The Most Self-Indulgent Albums EVER!

Posted Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:54am PST by Shawn Amos in GetBack

We are in the midst of two album landmarks: the 40th anniversary of the self-titled Beatles double LP known as The White Album and the release of Guns N' Roses' 17-years-in-the-making Chinese Democracy. When someone suggested that perhaps the two-disc White Album was a bit self-indulgent and would have been tighter as a single disc, Paul McCartney famously replied, "It’s the bloody Beatles White Album. Shut up." 'Nuff said.

Chinese Democracy, however, is another story. Even though it's only one disc, it's about as self-indulgent as you can get: millions of dollars spent, hundreds of musicians used, and arrangements so dense that only Axl can understand them.

Self-indulgence is a rock rite of passage for many musicians. Every generation has a bunch of artists who decide to make an album (or two or three) that's nearly indecipherable to anyone except the band and their followers. These records have one or more of the following hallmarks:


1. Lyrics with lots of medieval words, such as tempest, screed, manor, shire, cloister, parchment, and pilgrimage.


2. Songs that run more than ten minutes on at least half the album.


3. Covers that look like a Harry Potter book or a Dungeons and Dragons game.


4. Packaging that includes two or three discs.


5. Tracks that feature at least one keyboard solo.


Beyond these characteristics, there's just the vibe of a self-indulgent album. It reeks of self-importance and humorlessness. There's no sense of irony, humility, or humanity. Ultimately lifeless, these projects feel more like musical dissertations than real rock ’n’ roll. The White Album is full of playfulness, humor, heart, and soul. The ones listed below? Not so much.


Here are the five most self-indulgent albums in recent memory. I'm refraining from hitting the easy targets, like ELP's Tarkus, Yes' Tales From Topographic Oceans, and the Moody Blues' Days of Future Passed. In fact, I'm avoiding all of the late-'60s/early '70s rock album output. Been there, done that. Here's the new self-indulgence.

 

Smashing Pumpkins
MACHINA/The Machines of God
Billy Corgan has made a career out of indulging himself musically. This album includes songs with titles like "The Crying Tree of Mercury" and such lyrics as "Into the flow of encrypted movement/Slapback kills the ancient remnants." As if this wasn't enough, Corgan followed up MACHINA with his first solo album, TheFutureEmbrace.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Styx
Kilroy Was Here
From the band that brought us The Grand Illusion and Paradise Theater comes this 1983 concept-album about robots replacing man. The centerpiece? "Mr. Roboto," a song almost too unintentionally funny to be self-indulgent. Almost.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dream Theater
Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From a Memory
Dream Theater has the perfect prog-rock pedigree: former students at Berklee College of Music, they spent their early years covering Iron Maiden and Rush tunes, and first named their band Majesty. Any of their albums is worthy of this list, but Scenes From a Memory contains nearly all of the self-indulgent hallmarks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Queensrÿche
Operation: Mindcrime
Yeah, I know people put this album in the pantheon of Pink Floyd's The Wall and the Who's Tommy. I know it's a considered a metal masterpiece. Still, I'll take Racer X over Dr. X any day. Especially when he's played by Ronnie James Dio.
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sting

Songs from the Labyrinth
Some would argue that Sting's entire life is an exercise in self-indulgence. This album of 17th-century lute music might prove them right.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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831 Comments

121. Yahoo! Music User -
Just about all the "rock" bands that made it big enough ended up having the leverage to spend big money on their own self indulgent album.
The list is endless.
here are two that come to mind, my aplogies for repeating what others may have said.
ELP- Works (& a live tour with a full orchestra that proved to be a financial disaster)
Yes - Tales from Topographic Oceans (Where it is documented that the band actually brought in live animals into the studio for some sort of ambience). Rick Wakeman quit the band for a while.

122. MS -
Good list, could add Meatloaf

123. PamelaL -
I know it doesn't really fit your criteria, but I thought that Kelly Clarkson's last CD was one of the most self-indulgent pieces of crap I've ever heard. Twelve or so tracks of "poor me" over an affair that lasted all of what? One or two months?? And the guy ended up leaving her to marry his high school sweetheart, whom Kelly rudely name-called in a couple of songs??? I guess it would have been OK if any of the tunes were any good, but NOOOOOO..... Face it, chick, you are NOT a hit songwriter. You needed a lot of help with BREAKAWAY & you got it. You'll probably get a lot of help with your next album, if reports are correct. Just do what Clive Davis tells you & STFU.

124. __A_YAHOO_USER__ -
Don't forget Yngwie Malmsteen and and his redundant overshreds.Its no secret the guy can rip but it hurts some songs rather than helps , he would shred on everything and anything

125. Yahoo! Music User -
bvanweelden comment 132,
A little harsh don't ya think ?

126. Shel Steel -
Best albums EVA..... (for those of you who do not know these albums (and I'm not being mean), I have provided the name of the artist for you.)
-Far Beyond Driven (Pantera)
-Cowboys From Hell (Pantera)
-Seasons in the Abyss (Slayer)
-The Essential Ozzy Osbourne Discs 1 & 2
-Ride the Lightning (Metallica)
-Master of Puppets (Metallica)
-Prime Cuts (Suicidal Tendencies; the only best 1 I know is Gotta Kill Captain Stupid, sry)
-White Pony (The Deftones)
-Around the Fur (The Deftones)
-Appetite for Destruction (Guns N Roses)
-As Daylight Dies (Killswitch Engage)
-Rust in Peace (Megadeth)
-Black Album (Metallica)
-Greatest Hits [Motley/Beyond] (Motley Crue)
-Too Fast for Love (Motley Crue)
-Kill 'Em All (Metallica)
-The Art of Balance (Shadows Fall)
-And Justice for All (Metallica)

127. Nick s -
I think if a band is self indulgent or even arrogant over a really good album, then they have some right to be. Especially the self indulgent part, not quite as much the arrogance aspect, but both usually come out.

Though in the case of Chinese Democracy, it took him that long to complete it and it wasn't that good. Axl's new GNR sounds like Nine Inch Fake Nails to me. He is attempting a genre of rock that has been spawned several times over now out of the grunge scene that deathknelled his heyday.

But the rest of your list features some really talented outfits from Pumpkins to DT, to Sting. As much as I like Sting in the Police and some of his solo work, there is stuff like the album listed that I don't care for. But I won't hate on the guy for playing music he wants to play instead of bowing to radio trends. Dream Theatre and Queensryche are not for everyone, but you gotta give them credit for putting the effort in to perfect an album.

Nowadays, everyone from pop to rap, to even rock bands that think they are serious tend to focus on maybe 3 decent songs for their album and a ton of awful filler. No wonder nobody wants to buy an album.

So by
Hating on bands that go for the "Complete" album approach you're Not helping the problem of artists failing to put out solid bodies of listenable stuff.

128. __A_YAHOO_USER__ -
It appears to me that much of the idea for abstract lyrics started with the Beatles. Does anyone remember " I am the Walrus". It could be that they are trying to add mysticism to elementary .It also provides the listener an opportunity to make the song entirely their own. I think the idea of having lyrics that cannot be pinned down to one meaning allows the music to touch a larger audience

129. ssf -
Rush. Anything by Rush is self indulgent and horrible. Especially that song about the trees.

130. Lou Ann F -
BGs Odessa- double album with loooooong songs AND a fuzzy cover! Inspite of that its really quite good-this was before they plunged into the depths of disco and were just a quirky band from Englstralia.

131. JudgeW -
please, leave Ian Anderson OUT of this. The fact is ALL musicians are self-indulgent. I've been a blues guy for over 42 years. Some of my hour long guitar solo's are VERY self-indulgent.

132. Tommy -
Prince definitely has a few discs that should be on this list. He's great, but not all of his albums are. . . Lennon's New York City is probably worth including. . .

133. Shawna -
I think "Chinese Democracy" isn't all that bad...I kinda really like it! Track #5 is my favorite "If The World"...it's a pretty good song!

134. Yahoo! Music User -
Queensryche's "Operation Mindcrime" is one of my favourites. "Mindcrime II" wasn't bad, and the presence of Ronnie James Dio HELPED it! Ronnie James Dio's "Magica" borders on self-indulgence, but it's next to impossible for me to dislike anything he's done.

135. CARL -
Pornography by the Cure... Made during a deep depression and contributed to as lot of .suicides. What can be more self indulgent than that?.

136. Yahoo! Music User -
Rush? I grew up listening to them, they were big favourites of mine. Some of their stuff, like "Hemispheres," stretched it a bit but I liked that a lot better than their '80s stuff where they were trying to be Tears For Fears or U2.

137. Suggs -
What about Garth Brook's Chris Gaines album?
He made a whole new personality for that one and switch from style of music to another on each track.

138. operguy16963 -
Hmmm Self-Indulgent, what we have here obviously is a talking head(Shawn Amos)who probably never experinced the thrill of throwing his heart into writing what he felt was a perfect song no matter how long it took getting there to express his inner most feelings. In the 70's and 80's an era of what I consider the serious Rock and Rockers it was not uncommon to have a song last 5, 6 or 7 minutes. The individual who wrote this ragged piece of journalism needs to contemplate a little more before picking up the pen. The journalist should also note that artistic vision and writing take time, it's not about throwing sentences together in a rag. I this era of quick self gradification I am sure that he or the some of the readers just won't getting it, but for you who do I thank you for your time.

139. JohnJ -
There's a major screw up on the Queensryche entry. Ronnie James Dio is NOT the voice of Dr. X on Operation: Mindcrime. A guy named Anthony Valentine plays the character. You are clearly talking about Mindcrime II which came out 16 years later.

140. gerald s -
If that's the case, why leave off Floyd. If you really want to go down this road, how about Genesis' The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway? What about Strapping Young Lad's City? You put Dream Theater's Metropolis 2 here? Should've done Awake. As for QR, I take it you've never heard Rage For Order. Amos, you are stupid bastard.
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