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The Most Self-Indulgent Albums EVER!

Posted Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:54am PST by Shawn Amos in GetBack

We are in the midst of two album landmarks: the 40th anniversary of the self-titled Beatles double LP known as The White Album and the release of Guns N' Roses' 17-years-in-the-making Chinese Democracy. When someone suggested that perhaps the two-disc White Album was a bit self-indulgent and would have been tighter as a single disc, Paul McCartney famously replied, "It’s the bloody Beatles White Album. Shut up." 'Nuff said.

Chinese Democracy, however, is another story. Even though it's only one disc, it's about as self-indulgent as you can get: millions of dollars spent, hundreds of musicians used, and arrangements so dense that only Axl can understand them.

Self-indulgence is a rock rite of passage for many musicians. Every generation has a bunch of artists who decide to make an album (or two or three) that's nearly indecipherable to anyone except the band and their followers. These records have one or more of the following hallmarks:


1. Lyrics with lots of medieval words, such as tempest, screed, manor, shire, cloister, parchment, and pilgrimage.


2. Songs that run more than ten minutes on at least half the album.


3. Covers that look like a Harry Potter book or a Dungeons and Dragons game.


4. Packaging that includes two or three discs.


5. Tracks that feature at least one keyboard solo.


Beyond these characteristics, there's just the vibe of a self-indulgent album. It reeks of self-importance and humorlessness. There's no sense of irony, humility, or humanity. Ultimately lifeless, these projects feel more like musical dissertations than real rock ’n’ roll. The White Album is full of playfulness, humor, heart, and soul. The ones listed below? Not so much.


Here are the five most self-indulgent albums in recent memory. I'm refraining from hitting the easy targets, like ELP's Tarkus, Yes' Tales From Topographic Oceans, and the Moody Blues' Days of Future Passed. In fact, I'm avoiding all of the late-'60s/early '70s rock album output. Been there, done that. Here's the new self-indulgence.

 

Smashing Pumpkins
MACHINA/The Machines of God
Billy Corgan has made a career out of indulging himself musically. This album includes songs with titles like "The Crying Tree of Mercury" and such lyrics as "Into the flow of encrypted movement/Slapback kills the ancient remnants." As if this wasn't enough, Corgan followed up MACHINA with his first solo album, TheFutureEmbrace.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Styx
Kilroy Was Here
From the band that brought us The Grand Illusion and Paradise Theater comes this 1983 concept-album about robots replacing man. The centerpiece? "Mr. Roboto," a song almost too unintentionally funny to be self-indulgent. Almost.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dream Theater
Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From a Memory
Dream Theater has the perfect prog-rock pedigree: former students at Berklee College of Music, they spent their early years covering Iron Maiden and Rush tunes, and first named their band Majesty. Any of their albums is worthy of this list, but Scenes From a Memory contains nearly all of the self-indulgent hallmarks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Queensrÿche
Operation: Mindcrime
Yeah, I know people put this album in the pantheon of Pink Floyd's The Wall and the Who's Tommy. I know it's a considered a metal masterpiece. Still, I'll take Racer X over Dr. X any day. Especially when he's played by Ronnie James Dio.
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sting

Songs from the Labyrinth
Some would argue that Sting's entire life is an exercise in self-indulgence. This album of 17th-century lute music might prove them right.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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831 Comments

161. Mike _ -
I find most fans of The Pretenders and David Bowie are fans typically because of the drama in their lives behind the music. And so the fan then thinks that equates to good music. When, in reality, their music isn't that good or memorable nor are the lyrics. And I think the reason Sting gets picked on so much by Pretender and Bowie fans is because he came along and knocked them off their musical and artistic pedestal. A pedestal they never really deserved to be put on because they simply are not that talented. I mean they are talented people, don't get me wrong, but when I see Sting being put below them on any list, I know some writer is letting their personal bias get in the way of honesty. And that's how I look at this article.

162. Dude -
Sting's career of self-indulgence is what ruined the Police. Stewart and Andy should have castrated him after Synchronicity. Perhaps he would have thought twice about starting that solo career.

All one has to do is read the liner notes to any Sting album to realize that this guy's full of himself.

163. Heckster -
Hey Pat, if you're reading this, I saw you in Somerville about five years ago, and I remember how you were playing in Miami in February 1980 and I wasn't interested in seeing you then -- what a mistake that was -- but I did see Esther Saterfield outside at FSU, and I don't regret that, and even Bobby Caldwell at the beach, what he would not do, back then, but you were miles and miles floating above that banal sensual stuff, the Esther was like Billy Holiday and Angel DNA mixed in . . . so I'm raising up the lighter here, even if I don't smoke . . . anything.

164. Reading between the lines -
Are you so narrow you can't appreciate other forms of music such as progressive rock? It's the instrumental opera of the 20th-21st century. Dream Theater follows in the footsteps of King Crimson, an icon. Long songs are never necessarily bad songs. A Day in the Life by the Beatles and Stairway to Heaven, lengthy tunes, are considered two of the best and most musically perfect songs of the best era of rock music -- the 60s and 70s.

165. Gisele -
Okay...I dont' get this line of crap.

A product of the 60's I was self indulgent and wanted my music the same.

Yikes! when I see Kanye and Beyonce (and I like her) display their over the top self-indulgence, I gag.

The opposite of self indulgent albums would be: puritanic, puritanical,corrective, disciplinary, self-denying,self-disciplined, self-restraining,severe. WHAT WOULD BE THE POINT!

GIVE ME Self-indulgent: tending to be tolerant and generally allowing people to have what they want

Talented people needed to be self indulgent...

166. SueS -
Where do I begin....Mccartneys' 1st/2nd/3rd LPs..1st one really self indulgent and REALLY bad...why did I buy it?...and still own it!!!(go figure)...anything by Prince...Scot Weiland...I mean...who puts out a double cd and then says nothing in it...66 minutes of crap...the music industry is full of.."look at me" divas both male and female...give me the old 97s and the Bodeans....

167. Yahoo! Music User -
I see from the sludge that has been opined here that unless your music includes themes concerning murder and mayhem you consider it gauche and just plain bad !! Well to you geniuses from the 80's and beyond it speaks of your mentality making us real boomers glad we distanced ourselves from you long ago long I love every title mentioned her -- Bring back the romance in music and not obscene commentary

168. Yahoo! Music User -
Long live the 50-80's music and may your trash end up in a music landfill --where it belongs !!

169. Mike _ -
ssf,

this may change your mind, and any woman's mind, about Rush:

http://phpvideosearch.com/demo/watch.php?id=1182943404

It's a song called "Tears" and shows the other side of Rush that not many chicks get to see because they never explore their music to any depth.

hope this gives you a different perspective on them.

170. Heckster -
There are guys out there that would say Beethovan's 9th Symphony was self indulgent, being an absolute triumph, would they not? Yet most of those commenting here can't sit throught the hour it takes to discover that, so, having never heard it through, they just agree that it was his best work. Really, what do they know? There was a movie about his life a few years back with Nick Nolte, I think. I didn't see it. But I'm sure that none of his pieces are played in entirety in the movie. Those base fiddles introducing the Ode to Joy, and the guy being deaf and all by then, why do we waste time listening to so much trash?

171. Dart D -
BEATLES WHITE ALBUM: Too bad most of the 12 year olds here CAN'T READ. The album was singled out here as the EXCEPTION to the rule - i.e. note the use of adjectives (look it up) to describe it. Dopes - quit wasting others' time by posting when you've only half-read something.

172. Jennifer M -
Operation Mindcrime was long (and may I say rocked) but S&M by Metallica met two more criteria in self-indugence. S&M was long, there were at least five minute orchestra solos inserted into every song, and it was a multiple CD package complete with VHS.

173. E-rock, Spoons, Goose -
the decemberists?
Silversun Pickups?
Pink Floyd?
Boston?
Grand Funk Railroad?
Journey?
Kansas?
Blue Oyster Cult?
Guns N Roses?
ME-EFFING-TALLICA?




i should write this crappy colmn

174. JimR -
By your definition, the Grateful Dead shouldn't have made it out of the 60's. Every one of their albums meets the criteria, and they filled Soldier Field for Jerry's last show in '95 doing exacttly the same thing. (but doing it a little different every time....)

175. Yahoo! Music User -
I'm really surprised that there are no Emerson Lake & Palmer albums on this list...the most self-indulgent, bombastic nonsense ever recorded.

176. SueS -
What is a REAL boomer?..do you have a better appreciation of music than say...oh I don't know......somebody that is over 60?

177. By -
Anything by David Lee Roth.

178. Yahoo! Music User -
I Physical Graffiti is I would say, but it is 'intensly greater' then any album mentioned in this blog.

179. Yahoo! Music User -
Fact of Life # 212: You Can't Please Everybody.
Fact of Life # 597: One Man's 'high art' is Another Man's Self-indulgence.

(my most self-indulgent post ever)

180. Christopher -
Let us not forget Frank Zappa's triple LP, "Joe's Garage". I'm shocked not the see that one on the list, honestly. Was it disqualified from consideration because it was just so nasty? I'd like to think that the level of vulgarity is what distinguishes it most as self-indulgent.
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