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Bashing Pumpkins

Posted Mon Nov 10, 2008 12:31pm PST by David Marchese in The Spin Blog

The Smashing Pumpkins didn't make many friends last week. As reported on Idolator, Matthew Perpetua--he of the influential Fluxblog--savaged last Thursday's Pumpkins show at Manhattan venue the United Palace, writing that the sprawling, self-indulgent concert resulted in scores of "bitter, heartbroken" fans who exited the venue "as if on a death march." Perpetua wasn't alone. The Facebook status updates of my friends who went to the following night's concert featured words like "sad" and "pathetic." Ouch.

From what I can gather, the problem wasn't so much that the Pumpkins (i.e. Billy Corgan, Jimmy Chamberlin, and assorted ringers) played badly, it was that both the set list and the band's demeanor gave off the stink of audience contempt--low on hits, high on condescension. At one point, according to Perpetua, Corgan even mockingly uttered, "Did I pay for this s**t?"

It's hard to know who deserves sympathy in the audience-vs.-rock star standoff. The idea that musicians are expected to go out and give the crowd exactly what it wants has a faintly distasteful "Dance, monkey, dance!" vibe. But, then again, rock isn't jazz. Fans want surprise only up to a point.

I've seen some bad shows in my day. I remember a Lou Reed concert at which he played mostly new material, frequently with his back to the audience. Then he sleepwalked through "Sweet Jane" for the encore. I also saw Prince when he was deep into his spiritually-searching jazzy phase. That show featured loads of political and religious hectoring sandwiched between long fusion jams. The hits were relegated to a short medley. Both times, I felt ripped off.

Maybe that's a crass attitude. But I wonder if the recent proliferation of bands playing entire albums live is partly born from an attempt to head-off audience expectations at the pass. There's a much smaller chance the crowd will leave disappointed if they know exactly what they'll be getting. Similarly, if an artist feels the urge to rework their hits or try out new material, why not let it be known on the poster? Doing so might risk poor box office returns, but at least it'd be honest.

The question of who deserves what in the audience/performer exchange is a tough one. The answer is probably that both performers or audience-members deserves anything but the right to do what they want, whether that means booing or playing deep cuts. I do know one thing for sure though: I'm glad I didn't pony up for the Pumpkins.

What do you think? Do audiences have a right to expect things from rock stars? And do rock stars have the right to bristle at those expectations? What concert made you want your money back? Share your answers in the comments section.

 

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11 Comments

1. oh for the love of.... -
i saw the pumpkins in birmingham alabama in 1992 at the uab arena. they sucked then too.

2. MsSchadenfreude -
Fans are too spoiled and think since they pay money, they can talk to their supposed 'favorite' any way that they want to. No one told you to go, it was YOUR decision to go. I went to a Foo Fighter concert and was very gratful that they even came down to my city and enjoyed every minute of it. If your concert sucked then oh merry well, I'm happy knowing they didn't like it and Corgan STILL gets paid. So...fans bash as he spends...haha.

3. Dan the TEA Man -
Audience expectations will have a huge effect on audience satisfaction. Phish fans, for instance, always expected that their favorite foursome would go in unexpected directions with their tunes, and the more unusual the better. But a band like Smashing Pumpkins isn't expected to go Grateful Dead, hence the fan grumbling.

4. WTF?! -
I saw the Pumpkins back in '91 in Austin, TX...they opened for the Chili Peppers and Pearl Jam. It was awesome and here's why- There were no expectations from the audience. They were a young band with a solid debut record. Billy needs to realize that the people who are going to see the Pumpkins now are the nostalgic fans who could give a crap about their later efforts. It's not like the original line up reunited for this tour...it's Billy and Jimmy and session musicians. If anything put a few songs inbetween your self indulgent songs to keep people interested! The internet is dangerous. A few blogs about bad shows and ticket sales will suffer.

5. Adam -
I saw them in Charlotte back in August. It was my first Pumpkins show. I actually went to the show knowing that Billy is a little nutty and ego-centric. Everyone who is a Pumpkins fan should know that. I thought it was a great show. They played a good mix from Gish, Siamese Dream, Mellon Collie and the new record. The only low point for me was a 15-minute, Pink Floyd type jam. But they balanced that out with a 15-minute hard rock jam that was teeth-rattling, so it was all good.

The Lou Reed reference from above about Reed playing most of the concert with his back turned to the audience is definitely taking it too far. But a musician is an artist, and with any artist you have to expect some artistic freedom to color outside the lines. That's what makes it interesting - to see what they're going to do next.

I think the most successful musicians are those that keep a good balance of giving fans a little of what they expected to see and then throwing in some creativity and exposing them to something new that they can experience.

6. Yahoo! Music User -
It's silly to think that you don't have expectations in coming to a concert. You pay good money to see performers perform and if they don't, you boo them. You watch a concert the same way you watch a movie, you are there to be entertained. If the performers are not performing, you, as fans, have the right to boo or walk out. That's the bottom line.

My worst concert was Depeche Mode. I was very disappointed in that they didn't play their older songs and instead played their newer stuff, which I didn't really care for. it was advertised as a concert that would play the older tunes. At the end, the whole row behind me all said that this was the worst concert they had ever been to.

7. Yahoo! Music User -
This is why you shold listen to the heavy metal. The heavy metal always satisfy and they do not think they are to smart.

8. __A_YAHOO_USER__ -
Ah...sad thing to happen to the Pumpkins. But I have to agree, Billy should just leave well enough alone. Cherub Rock and 1979 are too beautiful to ruin now.

9. __A_YAHOO_USER__ -
Oh, and another thing. Artists should have a right to play "non-hit" songs as long as the artists themselves know the songs are good, not just album fillers.

10. __A_YAHOO_USER__ -
Personally, what I'd expect depends on the band.
A heavy metal band would be heavy anthems for headbanging
A punk band would be more of the attitude and funny comments made by the band
A Hard Rock band would be judged on its precision and polishness
An Indie band should be expected to be quirky and also slgihtly experimental
An Alt. Band should be grand and rock out or mellow out depending on the tune
A Alt Country band should be mostly relaxing but opening and ending with strong tunes
A Prog/Art band should be grand and pomp, wihtout overdoing it

Basically, I think an artist deserves room to go OUTSIDE these expectations to have a MEMORABLE show, or just do everything well, without seeming Cliched. A few surprises and a new tune here or there wouldn't hurt either. The only bad surprise would be finding out the band is too stoned or drunk to play. THAT SUCKS.

11. Yahoo! Music User -
hey! the pumpkins are great and all, but lets not forget who helped to get them there, all of us other hard working fans who spend our money to support them. As an artist they do have all rights to do their own and new thing, but don't be so surprised when we want to here some of the old stuff that made them who they are.
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