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The Top 20 Albums of All Time (For Real)

Posted Mon Jul 28, 2008 3:21pm PDT by Robert of the Radish in The Y! Music Playlist Blog

I completely understand the frustration of "best of lists", and I can assure you that I read hundreds of comments here on the Yahoo Music blogs whenever we post one. Many times our "best album" lists generate thousands of comments. And although many of the remarks are ridiculous, many are valid in a subjective sort of way.

For this playlist I wanted to find the true top 20 albums once and for all, but to do this I needed to clear my mind of all opinion and approach it as a science. My own personal taste did not influence this list in any way. In fact, I would have made many different choices, but the time I put into collecting the data and crunching the numbers leaves no doubt in my mind that this is the most accurate top 20 album list in existence.

To begin with I had to set the parameters, and I have set them as follows:

1. The list is based on the American market - I did this only because I had mounds of detailed data on the American music market at hand- to include the whole world or even Europe would increase the complexity of the analysis greatly - So this is really the "Top 20 Albums of All Time (To Americans)"

2. "Greatest Hits" albums and live albums were not eligible. The idea here was to identify the very best true albums, not compilations that cherry pick the best songs from an artist's career.

3. The following mathematical formula was used:

"Album Staying Power Value + Sales Value + Critical Rating Value + Grammy Award Value"

Now if you wish to argue, I welcome intelligent comment on how to hone the formula further, but please try to control the passionate fan-speak that drives so many of the comments. Remember, the idea is to completely remove your personal opinion from the process.

To offer a bit more detail on the components of the formula:

The initial group of albums selected was based solely on sales. Please know that I believe sales alone are probably the worst measure we have of an album's quality and I will speak to how I addressed this problem in a few. But as a starting point sales made the most sense. Sales are by no means the only measure of a "great album", but without big sales an album doesn't have much footing on which to claim the moniker "greatest". A vote with a dollar is a much stronger indicator than any other.

I looked at the biggest selling albums of all time in America based on actual RIAA data - this produced 71 non-Greatest Hits/Live albums that have all sold over 10 million units. Any of these that sold more than 10 million units received a 1% Sales Multiplier for every 1 million units sold over 10 million.

Sales Value = Sales Multiplier X Staying Power Value

Next, I determined what the Staying Power Value (SPV) was of all 71 albums. To determine Staying Power Value I looked at used CD sales data to determine how well each album's value has held up over time. For example, in the secondary market you can expect to pay around $9.50 for a copy of Rumours by Fleetwood Mac, but you would only pay $1.38 for a copy of Cracked Rear View by Hootie and The Blowfish. The Staying Power Value is important because it shows what the current value of the album is in the marketplace. So it's a good reflection of supply and demand. Rumours sold 19 million copies and Cracked Rear View sold 16 million. Rumours gets more points for selling more units, but even more important than the higher overall sales figures is that people want to hold onto their Fleetwood Mac CD, but don't mind parting with their Hootie CD. SPV captures this. In simple terms, Staying Power Value reflects current supply and demand for each album. *Please note that for double albums we reduced the SPV to align with a standard-length album.

So if we take the previously mentioned SPV of Fleetwood Mac's Rumours album and multiply it by that album's Sales Multiplier of 9% (1% for each million sold over 10 million) we get $10.38. But this only shows us how much people still desire the album + how many have sold at retail.

The next part of the formula takes into account critical acclaim.

I would agree with anyone who says a critical review means nothing, but when you start to see a pattern among the critics the data becomes much more reliable. If ten out of ten reviewers give an album 5 stars chances are good that the album is a winner. Basically the more reviews you average the more reliable the rating.

For the Critical Rating Value I looked at multiple reviews for each album from a diverse cross section of music magazines, newspapers and music review websites to come up with the average review number for each based on a 5 star scale. From these ratings I assigned a Critical Rating Multiplier to each album ranging from 0% to 10%.

So now our formula has factored in critical acclaim making the end result more reliable.

Ratings Value = Sales Value X Rating Multiplier

The final portion of the formula is the Grammy Award Value and it simply looks at how many Grammy Awards each album has won. Our formula already has the voice of the people (Sales Value) and the voice of the critics (Critical Rating Value) so the only missing component is the acclaim each album holds among it's peers. The Grammys are an industry specific award and are the best reflection we have of how the music business itself feels about an album. I would agree that this is the least important of the components in our formula, and as such each Grammy award adds only a .5% bonus. So an album that wins 4 Grammys would receive an extra 2% to it's value. This in my estimation is a fair weighting to give for a Grammy award.

So now I give you The Top 20 Albums of All Time based purely on the analysis provided above and devoid of any personal opinion. If you would like to see the complete analysis you can download the Microsoft Excel version here: (Top Album Analysis.xls).

20. Faith - George Michael

19. Appetite For Destruction - Guns N' Roses

18. Purple Rain - Prince

17. Houses Of The Holy - Led Zeppelin

16. Born In The U.S.A. - Bruce Springsteen

15. Nevermind - Nirvana

14. Van Halen - Van Halen

13. Rumours - Fleetwood Mac

12. The Wall - Pink Floyd

11. The Joshua Tree - U2

10. Metallica - Metallica

9. Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin

8. Hotel California - Eagles

7. The White Album - The Beatles

6. Led Zeppelin IV - Led Zeppelin

5. Abbey Road - The Beatles

4. Physical Graffiti - Led Zeppelin

3. Thriller - Michael Jackson

2. Dark Side Of The Moon - Pink Floyd

1. Songs In The Key Of Life - Stevie Wonder

 

8997 Comments

81. James -
I seriously can't handle all of the stupid comments about who should have been on there. The author of the article (Robert ) spent the bulk of the article explaining how he compiled the data and specifically stated there was no opinion involved.

I don't care for George Michael either, but obviously a lot of people do! None of the albums listed surprised me, and I for one am completely satisfied to finally see a list that was compiled using a well thought out formula.

I hate "best of" lists, but this one I liked. Thanks, Radish for putting in the analysis time to come up with it.

82. andrew e -
While I understand that the formula he used, you have to realize also that the critics were also a big part in these bands selling albums and winning awards, for example bands like bon jovi? their slippery when wet album has sold 26 million... so while these albums may be the highest under this list its still not a valid way to name the top 20 albums of all time...

83. seikop -
mike should first

84. courtney -
seriously? what about this and what about that? did you even read the article above the list or just go straight down to the list? its all about math...its not his personal opinion. oh hey the people who buy the albums had an effect on this...you know, the consumer. just because you think that 22 million in the u.s. market or 23 million and a couple or days at number one doesnt mean it will be considering all of the variables he is using.

85. Slammy S -
and pobfam i think ur stupid for calling any type of rock stupid ur not a rock fan period

86. Anonymous Lucy -
Now I like this guy Yahoo. The other guy that does the list of the day, I can't even think of his name, something like Rob O' Conner. He blows goats.

87. Dan -
Really? Did you just correct someone on the spelling of "LYNYRD SKYNYRD" and spell it wrong? Really? Wow. By the way, great list. #1 was a surprise... go Zeppelin!


rymanttm - 19 minutes ago
"Maybe yall could spell the band name correctly...its Lynrd Skynrd. Thanks"

88. Angie -
Even Stevie Wonder can see your list is a load of crap!

89. Shaggy -
Never gonna be happy are you people? But c'mon, Stevie Wonder? You were obviously stoned.

90. David -
None of the entries on this list surprise me. In fact I KNEW most of these records would make it. I have been following music critics for 25 years now, reading best of lists in Spin, Rolling Stone, Paste, Q, Mojo & just about all of these records make these lists. When you calculate sales & Grammies, the list makes sense. I have just about all of these records in my own personal collection. I think the mathematical formula used is unique & almost exhaustive. I would put some other personal favorites in place of some these records, but that would be my own personal taste. I am surprised The Rolling Stones didn't place.

91. BMack01 -
To all the AC/DC comments, they are #33 on the list. They get killed on the staying power value at only $6+.
This makes sense if you go to second hand shops, you can always find a copy of Back in Black and it usually is cheap.

I think that the George Micheal SPV is overstated. No way does it resell for $9+. I can buy it now on ebay for a little over $6.

92. Sugar Shane -
bahahahaha yeah right. Smoke another bowl! You get a 60% on your Top 20 Albums of All Time (FOR NOT REAL)from me. George Michael? bahahaha you should add Boy George too!

93. Robert D -
On the Excel download, Appetite for Destruction is #20, besting the George Michael offering by $.02. What gives.

94. paul p -
How can Stevie wonder be #1? He ain't that good.

95. Robert -
Do some of you posters know the difference between fact and opinion? This list was based on actual facts including sales numbers, awards, etc. It's not about what you *think* should be on the list nor what the author *thinks* it should be. Argue all you want but the facts won't change.

You idiots whine when he makes a list based on opinion then you whine when he makes one on sales fact. Personally, I think your all unhappy, cynical, idiots who aren't worth the time it takes to try to make happy. If you think you've got a better opinion I suggest you go write your own blogs and see how many people disagree with you.

96. mr big -
Wow ... whoever rated these albums are older than dirt! I guess these are cool albums, um ... if your're 100 years old!

97. fReD -
great list and most of all good formula, totally not fanfic

98. Robert D -
Doh...learn to read. Learn to read.

99. bleachklot -
Do people actually read these days? He told you EXACTLY how he came up with the list and you still insist he is wrong. Take a moment to read what he wrote and you will understand what the list is about. Absolutely amazing that he explains every little detail about how the list was established, yet most of you just scroll down and disagree with him anyway.

100. kjhsdf -
Staying power should be most weeks on the billboard top album charts, not used album value, that's just stupid. How bout the fact that "Dark side of the moon" spent 741 weeks in the top 200, while "key of life" spent 80 weeks. And how about some points for having the number one album, 37 weeks at number 1 for "Thriller"
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