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The Top 20 Albums of All Time (For Real)

Posted Mon Jul 28, 2008 3:21pm PDT by Robert of the Radish in The Y! Music Playlist Blog

I completely understand the frustration of "best of lists", and I can assure you that I read hundreds of comments here on the Yahoo Music blogs whenever we post one. Many times our "best album" lists generate thousands of comments. And although many of the remarks are ridiculous, many are valid in a subjective sort of way.

For this playlist I wanted to find the true top 20 albums once and for all, but to do this I needed to clear my mind of all opinion and approach it as a science. My own personal taste did not influence this list in any way. In fact, I would have made many different choices, but the time I put into collecting the data and crunching the numbers leaves no doubt in my mind that this is the most accurate top 20 album list in existence.

To begin with I had to set the parameters, and I have set them as follows:

1. The list is based on the American market - I did this only because I had mounds of detailed data on the American music market at hand- to include the whole world or even Europe would increase the complexity of the analysis greatly - So this is really the "Top 20 Albums of All Time (To Americans)"

2. "Greatest Hits" albums and live albums were not eligible. The idea here was to identify the very best true albums, not compilations that cherry pick the best songs from an artist's career.

3. The following mathematical formula was used:

"Album Staying Power Value + Sales Value + Critical Rating Value + Grammy Award Value"

Now if you wish to argue, I welcome intelligent comment on how to hone the formula further, but please try to control the passionate fan-speak that drives so many of the comments. Remember, the idea is to completely remove your personal opinion from the process.

To offer a bit more detail on the components of the formula:

The initial group of albums selected was based solely on sales. Please know that I believe sales alone are probably the worst measure we have of an album's quality and I will speak to how I addressed this problem in a few. But as a starting point sales made the most sense. Sales are by no means the only measure of a "great album", but without big sales an album doesn't have much footing on which to claim the moniker "greatest". A vote with a dollar is a much stronger indicator than any other.

I looked at the biggest selling albums of all time in America based on actual RIAA data - this produced 71 non-Greatest Hits/Live albums that have all sold over 10 million units. Any of these that sold more than 10 million units received a 1% Sales Multiplier for every 1 million units sold over 10 million.

Sales Value = Sales Multiplier X Staying Power Value

Next, I determined what the Staying Power Value (SPV) was of all 71 albums. To determine Staying Power Value I looked at used CD sales data to determine how well each album's value has held up over time. For example, in the secondary market you can expect to pay around $9.50 for a copy of Rumours by Fleetwood Mac, but you would only pay $1.38 for a copy of Cracked Rear View by Hootie and The Blowfish. The Staying Power Value is important because it shows what the current value of the album is in the marketplace. So it's a good reflection of supply and demand. Rumours sold 19 million copies and Cracked Rear View sold 16 million. Rumours gets more points for selling more units, but even more important than the higher overall sales figures is that people want to hold onto their Fleetwood Mac CD, but don't mind parting with their Hootie CD. SPV captures this. In simple terms, Staying Power Value reflects current supply and demand for each album. *Please note that for double albums we reduced the SPV to align with a standard-length album.

So if we take the previously mentioned SPV of Fleetwood Mac's Rumours album and multiply it by that album's Sales Multiplier of 9% (1% for each million sold over 10 million) we get $10.38. But this only shows us how much people still desire the album + how many have sold at retail.

The next part of the formula takes into account critical acclaim.

I would agree with anyone who says a critical review means nothing, but when you start to see a pattern among the critics the data becomes much more reliable. If ten out of ten reviewers give an album 5 stars chances are good that the album is a winner. Basically the more reviews you average the more reliable the rating.

For the Critical Rating Value I looked at multiple reviews for each album from a diverse cross section of music magazines, newspapers and music review websites to come up with the average review number for each based on a 5 star scale. From these ratings I assigned a Critical Rating Multiplier to each album ranging from 0% to 10%.

So now our formula has factored in critical acclaim making the end result more reliable.

Ratings Value = Sales Value X Rating Multiplier

The final portion of the formula is the Grammy Award Value and it simply looks at how many Grammy Awards each album has won. Our formula already has the voice of the people (Sales Value) and the voice of the critics (Critical Rating Value) so the only missing component is the acclaim each album holds among it's peers. The Grammys are an industry specific award and are the best reflection we have of how the music business itself feels about an album. I would agree that this is the least important of the components in our formula, and as such each Grammy award adds only a .5% bonus. So an album that wins 4 Grammys would receive an extra 2% to it's value. This in my estimation is a fair weighting to give for a Grammy award.

So now I give you The Top 20 Albums of All Time based purely on the analysis provided above and devoid of any personal opinion. If you would like to see the complete analysis you can download the Microsoft Excel version here: (Top Album Analysis.xls).

20. Faith - George Michael

19. Appetite For Destruction - Guns N' Roses

18. Purple Rain - Prince

17. Houses Of The Holy - Led Zeppelin

16. Born In The U.S.A. - Bruce Springsteen

15. Nevermind - Nirvana

14. Van Halen - Van Halen

13. Rumours - Fleetwood Mac

12. The Wall - Pink Floyd

11. The Joshua Tree - U2

10. Metallica - Metallica

9. Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin

8. Hotel California - Eagles

7. The White Album - The Beatles

6. Led Zeppelin IV - Led Zeppelin

5. Abbey Road - The Beatles

4. Physical Graffiti - Led Zeppelin

3. Thriller - Michael Jackson

2. Dark Side Of The Moon - Pink Floyd

1. Songs In The Key Of Life - Stevie Wonder

 

8997 Comments

161. Tarsha -
I'm shocked about #1 and I couldn't agree more!! WTG, Stevie!

162. Robert -
dude its Lynyrd Skynyrd ...

163. Tank -
I agree with the AC/DC. Classic album. Also, what about Bon Jovi's "Slippery When Wet"?? Yeah, its a hair band but when it came out it went HUGE!!!!!

164. Matty D -
Wow, nice work! I can't really argue with the albums you ended up with. Physical Graffiti is the only one that's even remotely surprising.

165. Yahoo! Music User -
Don't nobody care about no Whitney,Mariah or Madonna. Where is Queen, where is Nirvana

166. Darshini -
I wish the people who compile these asinine list listened to other types of music besides rock, alternative, etc. There are other types of music in the world. Broaden your scope.

167. KatherineL -
OMG you all are the most agrravating people ever! well most of you....like he said if you would actually read the article ITS NOT BASED ON PERSONAL OPINION!!!!! GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULLS! i don't really like almost three of the bands on there but that doesn't mean the list is "bogus" "not true" or any other phrase. just because YOUR favorite singers/bands aren't on there doesn't mean that its a horrible list...

168. Jason -
This list is CRAZY!!!!!

How can an album like Thriller 27million sold be lower than any album selling only 10 million copies???

NOT 1 MADONNA ALBUM is TOP 20... I DON'T LIKE ELVIS OR THE BEATTLES (NOT MY KINDA MUSIC) BUT NOT IN THE TOP 5 ALL-TIME????? STEVIE WONDER ABSOLUTELY IS NOT # 1 !!!!!!

169. Jeff -
where is Bon Jovi Slippery When Wet or New Jersey??? One of the best selling bands of all time...Are they not one of only 4, count that, 4, artist to win the diamond award? The list is very tight no doubt, but where is the love???

170. jamalw -
Dang can we get some black people on this list? Some hiphop or sumthin! I mean Jay-Z the blueprint, Lil Waynes Carter 3 just sold a million in a week, come on i wanna see more objectionism and more of a diverse opinion then stickin with these lame bands from the 50's

171. Troy -
The guy that said leonard skynard must think it's someones name. As for the list who cares. It's just fun to see if your favorite bands make it.

172. Preeta -
who makes this list?

173. Esther -
I appreciate the complex formula used to make the list, and find the excel spreadsheet fascinating. Yet I also feel bad for the writer and that he put so much effort into this to have certain, ahem, people personally attacking him because of their ignorance. No matter. Although I make my own music lists, I usually hate reading them, but this was an exception. Kudos, man.

(P.S. Having Wonder be number one was not expected! Interesting twist.)

174. Yahoo! Music User -
Many critics & voters consider Brian Wilson's "Pet Sounds" as one of the best albums ever (some say the best). And it's not included in the top 20?
Something's wrong with this picture.

175. WadeJ -
I think the sales volume should be adjusted (divided) by the population. For example, if two albums both sell sell 10 million copies, one when the population is 150 million people and the other when the populatio is 300 million, the popularity is clearly differnet. comparing 10million/150million to 10milion/300million shows douple popularity for the first one.

Similarily the price should be corrected for inflation. If in 100 years an album cost $100 dollars then sales price cannot be compared to a $20 albun today. That is why comparing copies sold is better than dollars.

The list looks great. Love Zeppelin, Floyd, Beatles and Roses. I'd put the Jackson over stvie but these are not my types anyway.

176. Yahoo! Music User -
you're a idiot. stevie wonder? ha.

177. Yahoo! Music User -
u no, i do believe that all of these are great albums, but i hate it wen ppl refuse to put new music on ther lists, just because it wasnt written 30 yrs ago, by a bunch of pot smokin hippies dosnt meean its not good

178. Heather M -
I have to say I have them all...I would replace some on the list also.

179. ultraphobic -
Stevie Wonder at No 1?Thank you for the best laugh I had this week!

180. just_surfing_these_days -
i think you should subtract 5 points off george michael for whacking his pee pee in the poop house .....

and 10 points off michael jackson just for being one of the weirdest human's that ever lived ...
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